Rosberg M@r!b*r* lights version Estoril 1986 - new evidence in the case!
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Rosberg M@r!b*r* lights version Estoril 1986 - new evidence in the case!
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Much discussion has been cast around regarding the colour of that Rosberg car in the race at Estoril in 1986. It ONLY raced in that colour - it wasn't used in practice so that is possibly why there is so few pictures of that car floating around. But for the modeller it is an alternative version - so will be greeted with ermmm greed!
Pictures of the car shows it in a wide array of various dark yellows. Hmmm?
And many modellers have over time had all kinds of paintmixes thrown in the air.
I have been in doubt as well. In the main thread a claim has been made that it is yellow - just that - yellow. But yellow tends to look yellow on pictures from that era - like the Renaults.
So what could be better that ask an eyewitness who was present at that race. I hear you say - colours fade with age - and not least the memory! Correct! But what was written at the time from a very recent observation by the most trustworthy of all scribes: Nigel Roebuck - should be okay I'd guess?
So in my library - like everyone has in their posession naturally - I picked my Autosport (UK) September 25- 1986.
On page 16 1.st column Nigel writes the following:
"Through qualifying Keke's car had been in regular red and white M@r!b*r* livery, but for the race had been redecorated in the colours of M@r!b*r* Lights, the company's low tar brand. A rather sickly greeny-yellow had replaced the red..."
Greeny- Yellow! That sounds to me the equivalent of fluo red replaced with fluo yellow? Nigels words are good enough for me! It makes sense to replace one fluo colour with another.
So paint your Rosbergs Mac the colour you like or take Nigels word for it!
Note the similar yellow color of Mac versus the yellow squares on the Ferrari rear wing in the background.
Picture link:
https://www.motorsportimages.com/photos ... berg++1986
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Much discussion has been cast around regarding the colour of that Rosberg car in the race at Estoril in 1986. It ONLY raced in that colour - it wasn't used in practice so that is possibly why there is so few pictures of that car floating around. But for the modeller it is an alternative version - so will be greeted with ermmm greed!
Pictures of the car shows it in a wide array of various dark yellows. Hmmm?
And many modellers have over time had all kinds of paintmixes thrown in the air.
I have been in doubt as well. In the main thread a claim has been made that it is yellow - just that - yellow. But yellow tends to look yellow on pictures from that era - like the Renaults.
So what could be better that ask an eyewitness who was present at that race. I hear you say - colours fade with age - and not least the memory! Correct! But what was written at the time from a very recent observation by the most trustworthy of all scribes: Nigel Roebuck - should be okay I'd guess?
So in my library - like everyone has in their posession naturally - I picked my Autosport (UK) September 25- 1986.
On page 16 1.st column Nigel writes the following:
"Through qualifying Keke's car had been in regular red and white M@r!b*r* livery, but for the race had been redecorated in the colours of M@r!b*r* Lights, the company's low tar brand. A rather sickly greeny-yellow had replaced the red..."
Greeny- Yellow! That sounds to me the equivalent of fluo red replaced with fluo yellow? Nigels words are good enough for me! It makes sense to replace one fluo colour with another.
So paint your Rosbergs Mac the colour you like or take Nigels word for it!
Note the similar yellow color of Mac versus the yellow squares on the Ferrari rear wing in the background.
Picture link:
https://www.motorsportimages.com/photos ... berg++1986
Best regards
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Re: Rosberg M@r!b*r* lights version Estoril 1986 - new evidence in the case!
Honestly? With that bit of info on the brand of coffin nails.. I'd probably go about looking for a packet of them from back then somewhere (if they can still be found) and match the colour. Or go through period ads for the "lights"...
Great find!
Great find!
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Re: Rosberg M@r!b*r* lights version Estoril 1986 - new evidence in the case!
Ha - strange - from the adverts in that time the packet looks metallic gold....
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Re: Rosberg M@r!b*r* lights version Estoril 1986 - new evidence in the case!
Can you trust the package to be the same as the colour of the car? Was the regular package fluo red?
He writes that the cars were red and white but to me red is red and not a fluo red, and I was in the impression that Mclaren were more orange than re
He writes that the cars were red and white but to me red is red and not a fluo red, and I was in the impression that Mclaren were more orange than re
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Re: Rosberg M@r!b*r* lights version Estoril 1986 - new evidence in the case!
Sorry - double post
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Re: Rosberg M@r!b*r* lights version Estoril 1986 - new evidence in the case!
I applaud your efforts, but we still lack definative proof.
The 1986 Autocourse Portugal race report has just a small colour pic and mention of a 'new colour scheme'. https://edition.pagesuite-professional. ... e1419d662b
I also looked in Nigel Roebucks Grand Prix 1986 and there is no mention of the new colours.
FWIW, NuNu 1/20 MP4/2C 1986 Portugal, the Rosberg version has lemon yellow decals and calls out Mr Color C4 in the paint guide, Prosts car has Fluorescent red decals and calls for Mr Color C171 fluorescent red paint.
Have you written to McLaren?
Thumnails of all the Rosberg pics I have found on the internet:-
Malc.
The 1986 Autocourse Portugal race report has just a small colour pic and mention of a 'new colour scheme'. https://edition.pagesuite-professional. ... e1419d662b
I also looked in Nigel Roebucks Grand Prix 1986 and there is no mention of the new colours.
FWIW, NuNu 1/20 MP4/2C 1986 Portugal, the Rosberg version has lemon yellow decals and calls out Mr Color C4 in the paint guide, Prosts car has Fluorescent red decals and calls for Mr Color C171 fluorescent red paint.
Have you written to McLaren?
Thumnails of all the Rosberg pics I have found on the internet:-
Malc.
Re: Rosberg M@r!b*r* lights version Estoril 1986 - new evidence in the case!
Traffic yellow it is ,ral 1023
I can remember someone contacted mclaren and had confirmation on the matter
These are the colors https://ral-colours.co.uk/side-by-side/ ... 3-vs-3024/
I can remember someone contacted mclaren and had confirmation on the matter
These are the colors https://ral-colours.co.uk/side-by-side/ ... 3-vs-3024/
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Re: Rosberg M@r!b*r* lights version Estoril 1986 - new evidence in the case!
What we really need to nail this is the confirmation.
Can you find and post the link to your source?
RAL1023 certainly has a weird green tint!
M.
Can you find and post the link to your source?
RAL1023 certainly has a weird green tint!
M.
Re: Rosberg M@r!b*r* lights version Estoril 1986 - new evidence in the case!
No I can not find it anymore ,it was years ago probably on a dutch forum someone searching for the perfect match and ending up buying 1 liter of paint just to do the one model ...
edit : Just found something, but it's confirmation about ral 3024 not the yellow.
https://www.modelbrouwers.nl/phpBB3/vie ... 10#p716311
Dear Erik,
Thank you for your email and interest in McLaren.
The colour is RAL 3024. Daylight Fluorescent red sprayed a minimum of
four coats and a final coat of ultra violet protective clear coat.
It is readily available through Sikkens Akzo Nobel Paints. The white is
a 2K system using a non pigmented white.
Hope this helps!
Best regards,
W: http://www.mclaren.com
edit : Just found something, but it's confirmation about ral 3024 not the yellow.
https://www.modelbrouwers.nl/phpBB3/vie ... 10#p716311
Dear Erik,
Thank you for your email and interest in McLaren.
The colour is RAL 3024. Daylight Fluorescent red sprayed a minimum of
four coats and a final coat of ultra violet protective clear coat.
It is readily available through Sikkens Akzo Nobel Paints. The white is
a 2K system using a non pigmented white.
Hope this helps!
Best regards,
W: http://www.mclaren.com
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Re: Rosberg M@r!b*r* lights version Estoril 1986 - new evidence in the case!
Wow, great link, thanks for digging it out, some interesting info on page 1 with the pictures.
Sounds like another mail to McLaren is needed!
M.
Sounds like another mail to McLaren is needed!
M.