Who will win the 2021 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix?

Who will win the 2021 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix?

Poll ended at Sat Dec 11, 2021 10:14 pm

Verstappen
19
42%
Hamilton
17
38%
Bottas
1
2%
Perez
1
2%
Leclerc
0
No votes
Norris
2
4%
Sainz
1
2%
Ricciardo
1
2%
Gasly
2
4%
Alonso
0
No votes
Someone Else
1
2%
 
Total votes: 45


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Post by johncarmodeller »

Masi influenced the out come of a race ! He is ( soon to become was ,I believe ) a member of the FIA. They are a judging panel. Their job is to apply the rules without fear or favour. They failed !

The teams rely on the consistent application of the rules. In this instance the FIA failed.

Over the recent past years there appears to be a leaning toward spectacle rather then sport. I believe that rot set in with Bernie . He did great things for driver safety and professionalism within f1 however he distanced drivers from their fan base. He also ultimately distanced fans from viewing races by moving broadcasts to pay per view. Thus insuring any number of hard core followers unable to follow races.

If F1 wishes to be relevant it must recognise the sponsors and by definition the fans. The sponsors pay big money to put their signage on the cars. As a consequence they expect a world wide viewing public to view and buy their products. Pay per view has limited this coverage.

The commercialisation of F1 started in 1968 (thanks Colin ) and has rampted up ever since. I started following F1 before that date. I am now 65 years old . I am still an avid modeler. But not of cars built after the late 70's. They leave me cold. Just as F1 politics does

As an Australian I can only say that Masi was a poor assistant to Tim Schenkan in Australian touring cars racing and he has gone on to be a C*********K in F1 !

For this my dear colleagues I can only apologise.

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Formula One is dead for me!
So much s### this year. I'm no Hamilton fan at all but how he was robbed by crappy decisions by FIA officialdom makes me sick. I got the feeling everything would have been done to have a new champion after Hamilton's domination. Disgusting.
And Verstappen geting away with his driving style again and again will lower the driving standards once more.
As I said, F1 is dead for me.
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Having thought about and spoke to many of my friends about the race, we have come to the conclusion that the fairest decision should have been:
Red flag the race and to maintain each drivers advantage/disadvantage restart the race on grid position in order of red flag position (either all or none of the cars are permitted to change tyres)
Race for the remaining 5 laps, but times in that 5 lap race to the flag are added to you times before the red flag came out.
This is surely the fairest option for everyone in the race no matter where you were in the race before the red flag, Max would have had to (for example) beat Lewis to the finish by the 11.+ Seconds gap Lewis had built up fairly and squarely thorough out the race to lap 53.
F1 has in the past done just that, your times are added to you time when the race was stopped...
F1 just beggars belief right now, is not a proper or fair Sport, it's a soap opera.
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This would be more fair but a lot of people would not be able to follow it and if Max could only finish 5 sec ahead of Hamilton and still lose the race people would be very confused. "Max finished in front of Hamilton but lost???" I think that is why they never went with that idea.


Dede wrote: Sat Dec 18, 2021 10:54 am (snip) Max would have had to (for example) beat Lewis to the finish by the 11.+ Seconds gap Lewis had built up fairly and squarely thorough out the race to lap 53.
F1 has in the past done just that, your times are added to you time when the race was stopped...
F1 just beggars belief right now, is not a proper or fair Sport, it's a soap opera.
Hamilton changing tire or not changing tires was not a factor until the Latifi accident as he was comfortably leading by 11 sec.

Hamilton was also in good shape when the cars he lapped were between him and Max.

It was interesting listening to the various communications between the teams and their drivers. Some of the veterans (ie Alonso, Vettel) were calling for lapped cars to unlap themselves right away when the SC came out. Not 2 laps later and only some of them were allowed to unlap themselves.

It was unfortunate the way the year ended the way it did. I was hoping for a race with no controversy.
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1978, Monza. Neither Mario Andretti or Gilles Villeneuve actually bothered to stop on their grid positions after the restart formation lap. Both were handed a time penalty - I think 60 seconds - and both finished well ahead of race "winner", Niki Lauda. It's been done. And I believe Alan Jones wrapped up his title by winning behind Nelson Piquet in Canada, 1980.
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bossy122 wrote: Mon Dec 20, 2021 1:52 pm .. And I believe Alan Jones wrapped up his title by winning behind Nelson Piquet in Canada, 1980.
I was making the other day a mental recall of all the last race shootouts, and after the race, those with polemical ending. Canada 80 came to my mind (OK, it was the second to last race but due to the retained results rule, Jones had the possibility wrap the title in that race even if Piquet was the leader!). Yep, Jonesy pushed Nels to the wall (there are contradictory reports and AFAIK, no clear TV images) but they re-started. All with new cars. Nelson's T car was still faster than Jones race car (he could keep his), but ahem... Brabham team had forgotten to replace the T car practice engine, fast but less reliable.
I'd say the more comparable season showdons are the well known 1994, 97, and 1989/90. OK, 2016 was also curious :mrgreen:
2010 and 2012 figure in the Alonsian mythology as cases of terrible felony, but as much frustrating it could seem, that was pure racing... as 2008 was too, and also 2007!
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