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JamesB wrote:Anyway waht would you need to play the "oldie" role?
a 1983 Williams (ultra short wheelsbase and shortened rear overhang from 80cm to 60), or if you prefer same color and brand, the 126# was also quite short...

FW08 vs SF70-H




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I only build pre 1980 cars so the oldie roll is no problem.

Orso wrote:Thanks for the replies. The Ferrari is what I will look for then.
Any links to shops in Germany that still have the kit?

No problem, please look here... Ferrari SF70H 1/20 at Modellbau-Seidel

I came across this thread and thought it´s quite timely right now, with the 2022 rules talk.
I saw the FW07C had slipped instead of the FW08, so I did a fast make up on the 07 to make it look as a 08 and with its true measures, it looks an even more shocking contrast. It´d be even stronger with a 2021 car

https://i.postimg.cc/90PFvN22/fw08-vs-SF70.jpg

Some interesting pictures here:
https://forums.autosport.com/topic/2118 ... n-f1-cars/

Tyrone wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:50 am
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Wow! This makes you want to see the old short cars racing, and if they would help overtaking.
But then you think about the driver's legs and maybe how that is not such a good idea...

(picture stolen from Google images)

Comments of drivers from generations like Schumi's and later, whenever they drive any "aluminum" car give the sensation they've experienced the use of some medieval device. You know that "how on earth they could..." a mi of fear and respect for the guys who did. Just imagine Nelson's elbows resting on the edge of the chassis and only protective device (cockpit bodywork, when on, does not count) er, yep: just as Gilles' on this pic, while the team lights up the 1250bhp engine behind him.
Surely cars were less safe, they were indeed eventual high speed rolling graves if we want.
Buuuuut! surely you can build cars with nowadays protection and much less size.

JamesB wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 11:32 am Comments of drivers from generations like Schumi's and later, whenever they drive any "aluminum" car give the sensation they've experienced the use of some medieval device. You know that "how on earth they could..." a mi of fear and respect for the guys who did. Just imagine Nelson's elbows resting on the edge of the chassis and only protective device (cockpit bodywork, when on, does not count) er, yep: just as Gilles' on this pic, while the team lights up the 1250bhp engine behind him.
Surely cars were less safe, they were indeed eventual high speed rolling graves if we want.
Buuuuut! surely you can build cars with nowadays protection and much less size.

Yep, and driving standards can be improved. This weekends crash would have likely killed Max 40 years ago, but he basically walked away...but 40 years ago you likely wouldn't have a driver push each other like they do these days. Same goes with Grosjean's accident last year. The emphasis has been put on making the cars ridiculously safe, which is great, but there are lots they can do to stop these types of accidents from happening in the first place.

I feel like length of car is now being used as necessary for safety out of a lack of understanding of how it started. It was never done initially for safety, it was done for aero reasons. I'm sure that safety is an improvement, but there are ways to make the cars closer to the length we had in the mid 2000s and still be safe.

Cannot agree more, Stu. Not sure if it's good they feel invulnerable. Which some apparently do.
That brings me (briefly, I promise) to the accident. Probably 70/30 blame, HAM/VERS, though Max has the bonus that he was at the wrong end of the shotgun, so there was a bit of a foolish attitude there.
Nah, back to cars!
Here's what the SF70H would look with a WB taken down to 295cm... Ah I also reduced front overhang (feet stay where they are) and removed the Arrow shape of front wing. Looks better?
https://i.postimg.cc/Bn3rW8Vx/fw08-vs-SF70-X.jpg

It looks fat!
But if it improves racing, I am all for it