1/6 Porsche 917 Engine Full Detail
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That frame looks fantastic!
I like such brass works, but i`m running out of flux (Flußmaterial), the one i ordered months ago is not good enough for such works, maybe low acid or whatever is different to my old stuff, but it don`t work.
Can you give me a hind which type is used on the frame? Can`t read the bottle on the picture.
I like such brass works, but i`m running out of flux (Flußmaterial), the one i ordered months ago is not good enough for such works, maybe low acid or whatever is different to my old stuff, but it don`t work.
Can you give me a hind which type is used on the frame? Can`t read the bottle on the picture.
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This is just beyond the beyonds, so Incredibly detailed, realistic and flawless. Amazing Workmanship.
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Thank you for your nice comments
Some progress made on the camshaft drive. There are 2 overhead camshafts for each cylinder bank. The camshafts are mounted in a central camshaft housing part. Each cylinder head is mounted to this part with four head studs. The camshafts are covered by a upper and lower cover.
A special design feature of the 917 engine is the control of the camshafts by the centre output gear on the crankshaft. The cams where not operated by chains but a train of five gear wheels mounted in needle roller bearings on each side of the the crankshaft sprocket. These gears were mounted and run in a narrow magnesium box-housing, which was located on the crankcase by four dowel pins at it's inner face. The outer face provides support to the camshaft housing.
Model parts of the gear train, box-housing and bearings. The gears are functional and transmit the rotation of the crankshaft to the camshafts with a transmission ratio of 0.5
Box-housings assembled and ready to be mounted to crankcase
Box-housing mounted to crankcase left half
Left side camshaft housing part with upper camshaft ready for installation. The camshafts are running in eight bearings in the cam carrier casting. For the timing fine adjustment, Hans Mezger has designed a very simple and smart solution by means of having a disc with 17 holes fixed to the input gear and another gear with 16 holes on the same radius fixed on the camshaft. A pin through two mating holes locked the drive to the camshaft in a given position. Timing adjustment was made by moving the camshaft to the correct angular position with respect to the drive and placing the pin through the two holes that were then in line and then locking the assembly in that position with a large nut.
Upper camshaft with timing adjustment components ready for installation
Components of timing adjustment assembly
Both camshafts installed on left side cam carrier casting
On a different question asked by Guido concerning the soldering technique for the frame made of brass rods and tubes. There is a mix of hard-soldering and soft soldering technique. For both techniques only gas powered soldering torches are used (Proxxon). For the hard-soldering, I'm using silver solder paste and silver hard solder rods plus flux for silver solder (supplier: www.bengs-modellbau.de). For the soft-soldering, I'm using high temperature soft solder and the suitable flux of the same supplier. The process is pretty tricky, requires a lot of practice and patience but guarantees a very rigid frame.
I also like the idea of Roman about the "group therapy session" and Bill's proposal to held the first session in the Porsche Museum
BR, Uli
Some progress made on the camshaft drive. There are 2 overhead camshafts for each cylinder bank. The camshafts are mounted in a central camshaft housing part. Each cylinder head is mounted to this part with four head studs. The camshafts are covered by a upper and lower cover.
A special design feature of the 917 engine is the control of the camshafts by the centre output gear on the crankshaft. The cams where not operated by chains but a train of five gear wheels mounted in needle roller bearings on each side of the the crankshaft sprocket. These gears were mounted and run in a narrow magnesium box-housing, which was located on the crankcase by four dowel pins at it's inner face. The outer face provides support to the camshaft housing.
Model parts of the gear train, box-housing and bearings. The gears are functional and transmit the rotation of the crankshaft to the camshafts with a transmission ratio of 0.5
Box-housings assembled and ready to be mounted to crankcase
Box-housing mounted to crankcase left half
Left side camshaft housing part with upper camshaft ready for installation. The camshafts are running in eight bearings in the cam carrier casting. For the timing fine adjustment, Hans Mezger has designed a very simple and smart solution by means of having a disc with 17 holes fixed to the input gear and another gear with 16 holes on the same radius fixed on the camshaft. A pin through two mating holes locked the drive to the camshaft in a given position. Timing adjustment was made by moving the camshaft to the correct angular position with respect to the drive and placing the pin through the two holes that were then in line and then locking the assembly in that position with a large nut.
Upper camshaft with timing adjustment components ready for installation
Components of timing adjustment assembly
Both camshafts installed on left side cam carrier casting
On a different question asked by Guido concerning the soldering technique for the frame made of brass rods and tubes. There is a mix of hard-soldering and soft soldering technique. For both techniques only gas powered soldering torches are used (Proxxon). For the hard-soldering, I'm using silver solder paste and silver hard solder rods plus flux for silver solder (supplier: www.bengs-modellbau.de). For the soft-soldering, I'm using high temperature soft solder and the suitable flux of the same supplier. The process is pretty tricky, requires a lot of practice and patience but guarantees a very rigid frame.
I also like the idea of Roman about the "group therapy session" and Bill's proposal to held the first session in the Porsche Museum
BR, Uli
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Die Zylinderköpfe schauen einfach genial aus Uli! Very impressive job on that!
Thank you for information about the flux, i mainly use low temperature soldering but never used a paste for it, my old stuff is a liquid one which soaks itself into small gaps, very easy to apply to small parts, but i will try this paste as i don`t knwo where to find a liquid flux like my old stuff, even don`t know what it was cause it was a gift from a friend.
I can`t await your final result on this engine, so far it is highly impressing and i enjoy the updates on it a lot! All that is missing is oil and no one would realize that it is a model!
Thank you for information about the flux, i mainly use low temperature soldering but never used a paste for it, my old stuff is a liquid one which soaks itself into small gaps, very easy to apply to small parts, but i will try this paste as i don`t knwo where to find a liquid flux like my old stuff, even don`t know what it was cause it was a gift from a friend.
I can`t await your final result on this engine, so far it is highly impressing and i enjoy the updates on it a lot! All that is missing is oil and no one would realize that it is a model!
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I would take a 1/8 full engine to replace the toy like engine/gearbox repica from IXO...
and the drive shafts as well
and the drive shafts as well
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Hi there, it's quite a while ago since my last update. Nevertheless, the project is progressing little by little. CAD work is almost done and most 3D printed and machined parts have been produced in 1:6 and 1:8 scale already. Next step will be to assembly all the auxiliaries and start with the final assembly afterwards.
Some impressions of the 1:6 scale parts dry fitting process:
In parallel to the 1:6 scale version, work on the rolling chassis of the 917K in 1:8 scale is progressing as well.
Test fit of the engine block in the not yet completed chassis:
... and here the almost completed chassis of my friend Guido - while I was working on the design/production of the engine, he could fully concentrate on the chassis . The only thing missing are the reinforcement plates which will be made of etched parts and soldered to the appropriate positions.
Next update will be about some detailed views on the assembly of the Bosch mechanical fuel pump, the distributors and the alternators. All auxiliaries are fully detailed internally.
BR,
Uli
Some impressions of the 1:6 scale parts dry fitting process:
In parallel to the 1:6 scale version, work on the rolling chassis of the 917K in 1:8 scale is progressing as well.
Test fit of the engine block in the not yet completed chassis:
... and here the almost completed chassis of my friend Guido - while I was working on the design/production of the engine, he could fully concentrate on the chassis . The only thing missing are the reinforcement plates which will be made of etched parts and soldered to the appropriate positions.
Next update will be about some detailed views on the assembly of the Bosch mechanical fuel pump, the distributors and the alternators. All auxiliaries are fully detailed internally.
BR,
Uli
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Absolutely impressive work Uli, simply awesome!
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I just love this! Amazing work Uli (and Guido)!
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